From: ian mchenry
<ianmchenry live.com>
Subject: SPA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:14:58 +0000
hi.
what a
brilliant web page.
my mother comes
from san
pietro. she went to england in the 50's. her sister went to
america. i have various aunts, uncles and cousins still in the village
but their names don't come up on the page.
the family name
is Ciccotelli
thanks, ian |
Ian,
Thanks for your email.
Do you know names of grandparents? or great grandparents? Maybe we can
find the family connection and I can add it to the web page.
ciao.
Mark |
hi Mark.
yeah. in fact
in the [SPA Militia]
photo, from your site, my grandfather, Giuseppe Ciccotelli is
bottom row, 1st on the left (as you look at the photograph).
(Mark's note:
Giuseppe Ciccotelli is number 16 in the SPA militia photo on this
web page.)
My mother is
Fillapina Ciccotelli, she has a sister dina and a brother, michaeli.
both still in san peitro
It would be
great to find
out about my mum's other sister, Rosa who was the first to go to
England (my mum joined her there later) and then she went on to
America, where she died of influenza. I know mum would love to know
more about her and her family there.
On one of my
mum's trips to
san pietro she picked up a colour postcard of the main square and an
old man standing in it. how turned out to be her dad, Giuseppe.
I'm copying my
dad in on this e-mail becuase he knows a lot more than me.
ian |
Ian,
Thanks for the info and about your grandfather, Giuseppe.
Do you know more about your family history? I ask because I searched
the copies of records that I have from 1809-1899 and I cannot find
anyone with that family name.
Did the family come from another town and marry someone from SPA? What
is your grandmother's name? Do you know any dates?
I will do some research and see if I can find out anything about your
grandmother's sister, Rosa. Do you know anything about her?
Consider joining our SPA group on Yahoo, see link below. You can post a
note about your grandfather and maybe someone in the group will have
more information.
ciao.
Mark
|
Hi Mark, hope
you're ok.
my mum just
called,
briefly. seems my dad never asked for the information. don't know why.
regarding Rosa. it seems she married an American in the UK and went to
Pittsburgh in 1954 dying there in 1956.
do you know?
i've realised that i never asked his name. i'll get back to you. she is
going to look for the postcard of nonno in the main square
bye for now
ian |
hi mark,
i spoke to my
mum. she was a bit confused about the surname of the man Rosa married
but then said it was Sette Fratelli.
she said he
came from a
large family but i couldn't quite get if Sette Fratelli was the family
name or the fact that he was a seventh son.
does this help
at all? she
has not been able to find the postcard so far.
where abouts
are you in
america ? calcutta is hot!! i'am hopefully moving to Delhi at the end
of this month and will probably have to use internet cafes until i can
set up another broadband connection
hope this finds
you well, look forward to your reply.
ian |
Ian,
I live in San Diego. Here, when the temperature gets above 75F, we
complain....
Well the hint from your mother was right on. Settefrati is a fairly
common surname from San Pietro. So it is highly likely that the name is
correct.
I did some searching using that name and I found Rosa Settefrati
arriving on the Queen Mary from Southhampton on 8 Jul 1954.
She
was going to Pittsburgh, PA.
This must he her. Does your mom remember her birth date? I'll do some
more checking.
Mark |
wow!!!
what can i say?
it's
one in the morning in Kolkata. i'll ring mum tomorrow and
confirm.
This is amazing
to see!!! she
was my mum's older sister and my mum was born in 1935. i'm gob-smacked (speachless)
ian |
I
posted this on the SPA
group:
From: Mark
DiVecchio
To: SanPietroAvellanayahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:33 PM
Subject: [SanPietroAvellana] Rosa Ciccotelli Settefrati
I received an email from
Ian McHenry. His family is Ciccotelli. His mother was born in SPA and
he still has relatives who live there. His mother lives in the UK. He
asked me for help finding anything about his aunt Rosa who was also
born in SPA, moved to the UK and then married a Settefrati there and
immigrated to the US.
I was able to find a New York ship manifest from 1954 which showed a
Rosa Settefrati going to 422 Cedarville, Pittsburgh, PA. (That address
is in the middle of the Bloomfield section of Pittsburgh.)
Ian's mother remembered that Rosa did move the US about 1950 and died
shortly thereafter of influenza. That is all that she knows.
Does anyone know of this family in Pittsburgh? Or maybe where Rosa is
buried?
ciao.
Mark
And got these responses:
Mark,
the 1930 Polk Directory
shows a Rose Setteferti (mispelling?) as a resident at 422 Cedarville
St. She is listed along with a Salvan (Student). They are both listed
under Anthony (Louisa) at the same address. Anthony is listed
as a
laborer. The
1930 listing is on page 183.
In
the 1927 Polk City Directory on page 1832, Anthony is listed at the
same address along with a Sebastian D who is shown as a draftsman for
the Dept of Public Works.
In the
1928 Polk Directory there is a Michael listed at the same address with
Anthony & Sebastian. Page 1764.
I n the 1929 directory on page 1999 Rose shows up again along with
Anthony, Michael and Sebastian.
The 1923 directory shows Anthony Settefrate, another variation.
Carmen
DiGiacomo - Pittsburgh |
I
was not able to find any information on Rosa Settefrati, however, the
website findagrave.com lists five Settefrati's buried in Pennsylvania.
Holy
Cross Cemetery
(Yeadon, Delaware County, PA) lists Michele (1897-1957), Serafina
(1866-1957), Albert (1932-1953) and Michelina (1892-1964).
Allegheny
Cemetery (Pittsburg, PA) lists Michael A Settefrati (1905 - 1994).
Perhaps
someone with access to these people's obituaries could find information
on Rosa.
Gene
Frazzini
Gene,
Thanks,
good hint. I believe that the Michael buried in Pittsburgh is the brother of Salvatore
Settefrati who married Rosa Ciccotelli. They may all be buried in the
same cemetery.
I have
another researcher digging up addresses of Settefrati in Pittsburgh and I will write
some letters.
ciao.
Mark |
|
Date:
Sun, 24 May 2009 14:27:29 +0100
Subject: Rosa Settefrati
From: Duncan McHenry
<duncan.mchenrygmail.com>
Hi, Mark,
I'm Ian's dad.
Pina THINKS her
sister Rosa's birth date was 17 June 1929 - not sure of the 17th, but
definitely 1929.
Thanks for all
your digging.
Regards,
Duncan. |
Ian,
More searching turned up the attached New York arrival manifest from
1953 of Salvatore Settefrati - going to the same address in Pittsburgh
that Rosa went to. Sailing from Southhampton on the Queen Elizabeth. I
found this by just plain luck as I was looking at the manifests.
Must be her husband who returned to the US a year before his wife, Rosa.
ciao.
Mark |
Date:
Tue, 26 May 2009 20:47:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: daniel carlins <dcnanookverizon.net>
Subject: Re: Ian McHenry
Mark,
I found
something very
interesting. Rosa Settefrati's last address was 422 Cedarville St,
Pittsburgh, PA 15224. This is 2 blocks from my great
grandfathers
home on Pearl St in the Bloomfield section of Pittsburgh. While looking
for Settefrati relatives, I found one on 417 Edmond St in Bloomfield
which is 2 blocks from Cedarville St. His name was Michael
Settefrati.
I looked in the
real estate
records and found something even more amazing and a rare coincidence.
Neither home was owned by a Settefrati so apparently they just boarded
or rented rooms. The Cedarville home was bought on 10/3/2000 and the
Edmond St home was bought on 4/30/1980 by the same person, Francesco
DeLuca. Both homes changed ownership on 3/20/2006 for $1,
which
means relative to me, by the same person, Angelo and Rosetta Pugliano.
After prowling the city phone directories I found the following person:
Angelo and Rose Pugliano Jr
4422 McKenzie Dr.
Monroeville, PA 15146-1040
I am having
trouble finding
living Settefrati's in the phone directory in Pittsburgh. I will keep
looking. Wish me luck. I have found that my relatives have a
pack
mentality, they never spread very far in Pittsburgh until my
generation. I will keep looking and pass more along
later. Angelo and Rose may have some valuable information or
even
lived with Settefrati's or been their landlords.
Dan Carlins |
Dan,
Thanks for the info.
I have been able to find the family at that address in the 1920 and
1930 census. It appears that Micheal was a brother. I found his death
record in 1994.
I should also mention that the Social Security Death Index lists
Michael Settefrati's last residence as Coraopolis.
I did not find any death record for Salvatore.
Salvatore and Michele had a sister who was in the 1930 census. Her name
is Rose. She was born in 1907 so that is a long shot for Rose Pugliano
but maybe a daughter.
I think you are right, everyone is connected here.
ciao.
Mark |
Ian,
I know that you are moving about now and I hope the move is going well.
I just wanted to let you know that I've found the Settefrati family in
Pittsburgh in the 1920 and 1930 census and in some City Directories.
This was done with the help of three fellow researches who live in the
Pittsburgh area. We are now trying to find Settefrati who still live in
there.
I did find a 1994 death record of Salvatore's brother, Micheal. He was
buried in Pittsburgh. I've not found a record of Salvatore's death - or
Rosa's.
When you get your email back, I can send you scans of the census sheets.
Sometime, also, I'd like to learn about the Ciccotelli family in SPA.
It appears that the surname did not appear in SPA until after 1900. So
maybe Giuseppe or his parents moved to SPA from somewhere else??? Do
you the names of his parents or his wife?
ciao.
Mark |
Mark
when i spoke to
mum she did
say that nono was not from san peitro but she couldn't remember where
he came from. perhaps dad can get it out of her.
my broadband
goes off in a few hours, i guess. i'll be using internet cafes until i
can set up another one.
ian |
Ian,
More thinking about the Ciccotelli surname made me come to a conclusion.
Since its likely that the Ciccotelli name in SPA came from another
town, there were very few Ciccotelli in SPA therefore all of them are
most likely part of the same family.
That leads to conjecture that any Ciccotelli that I can trace back to
SPA are related to Giuseppe (siblings, parents or children).
So I checked on the Ellis Island web site and I found one such person.
It was a Vincenza Ciccotelli from SPA immigrating into the US on 19 Nov
1914, references mother in SPA, Rosa.
Vincenza was 21 years old and was born in SPA (she would have been born
about 1893). She was going to her "uncles", Antonio and Luisa, at 452
Sapphire Alley in Pittsburgh, PA. There is a notation on the manifest
typical of a record search made during the process of becoming a US
citizen - the notation is dated 30 Jun 1937.
(The SPA birth records for 1893 and 1892 are missing from the
archives so I can't confirm her birth in SPA.)
We have seen this address before -- in the 1910 census as where the
Settefrati family lived!!
So it all goes around in a circle - Antonio and Luisa are the
Settefrati's.
In the manifest when Antonio and Luisa are called "uncles", that is
probably a translation from "zii" which is plural and which is used to
refer to several people, some uncles ("zio") and some aunts ("zia").
Also, in Italy, cousins of your parents are usually called uncle or
aunt by the children.
So the Ciccotelli and Settefrati families were connected somehow long
before Rosa and Salvatore married in the 1950's.
More as I find it.
ciao.
Mark |
Dan,
I've written a letter to the Pugliano's and to three addresses that I
found for Settefrati in Pittsburgh. We shall see what comes of it.
grazie e ciao.
Mark |
Ian,
I hope your mom is doing ok. Give her my regards as a 'paesano' -
Italian for "countryman" - used to refer to someone from the same
hometown or region.
I sent three letters to Settefrati in the Pittsburgh area about a month
ago and I have not heard anything. One of the letters was returned as
undeliverable.
ciao.
Mark |
Agostino Carlini
