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You remember that in the 1930 census from Portland, we found Charles Baker living with Lucile Baker. This was a new name for everyone. Apparently, Charles had a second wife between Frances and Ruth. Lucile was 23 years old, born in Oregon and they had been married for two years.

Bette wrote in her autobiography:

"About my Dad.  I called him Daddy Charles.  He would come on a Saturday, sometimes, and take me out for a meal.  Then he would take me to a show. So we would go to the theater downtown that had vaudeville as well as a movie.  We both loved the vaudeville part.  One day my Dad took me to the apartment of one of the dancers whom he got to know and dated.  I heard much later that she died...of pneumonia, he said."

In an email to me in 2005, Bette wrote:

Hi Mark & Angie,

Mark, Sal has probably come back and told you what I probably know about this Lucile woman. He took me one time, while he was still living in Portland, to see a young woman who was a dancer in a vaudeville show that was in one of the downtown theaters. We used to go and see it once in awhile when he came to take me out. I was 7 or 8 years old. We went to her apartment, I remember. I heard later that she died...of pneumonia, he said. I never ever heard that they had married, but I'm sure it must have happened. It may have been after she died that he moved to Tacoma to be near Cornelius. It probably was a short lived marriage. Boy, oh boy! I wish I could remember more. Of course, wasn't told everything, either, I'm sure.

Love, Bette

For the past several years, who this Lucile was remained a mystery.

Recently, the LDS web site put a new database on-line. Its "Washington Death Certificates, 1907-1960". When it became available, I did a bunch of searches for everyone I knew about in that state. The web site is:  http://www.familysearch.org/  .

Buried among 3900 hits on the name Baker was a record for Lucile E. Fisher Baker. Here are the details:

Name: Lucile E. Fisher Baker
   Death date: 10 Jan 1932
   Death place: Seattle, King, Washington, United States
   Gender: Female
   Age at death: 26 years 3 weeks 4 days
   Estimated birth year: 1906
   Marital status: Married
   Spouse name: Charles L. Baker
   Father name: Lionel E. Fisher
   Mother name: Florence Armstrong
   Digital GS number: 4218383
   Image number: 270
   Reference number: 112

This was her. Now we knew her last name - Fisher - and the names of her parents.

I sent a letter to the Washington State vital records requesting a copy of the death certificate and I received it. It shows she died in Seattle on 10 Jan 1932 of Lobar Pneumonia, just as Bette had remembered. Lucile was an actress and was born on 15 Dec 1905 in New Jersey (according to the DC - census indicated Oregon and I believe that she was born in Milwaukie, OR). She was cremated.

So this sent me on a search of the census. Here is a summary of census information:

1860 census, Union, Dallas, IA
   Her grandfather, William P. Fisher, 24y, farmer, born in IN
   Her grandmother, Lavinia Fisher, 20y, born in MO
   Her aunt Mary Jane, 2y, born in IA

1880 census, Lincoln, Polk, IA
   Her grandfather, William P. Fisher, 44 years old, works in wagon shop
   Her grandmother, Lavina Fisher, 41y
   Her aunt, Mary J. Lawson (married name), 20y, born in Iowa.
   Her uncle, Wesley B, 16y, born in Iowa.
   Her uncle, Jesse R, 7y, born in Iowa.
   Her father, Lionel, 1y, born in Iowa

1900 census, Monmouth, Polk, OR
   Her grandfather, William Fisher - 64 years old, born in Indiana, wheelwright
   Her grandmother, Liviniah Fisher - 60 years old, born in Missouri, 10 children - 5 living
   Her father, Lionel E Fisher - 21y, born in Iowa, day laborer

1910 census - Milwaukie, Clackmas, OR
   Her father, Earl Fisher - 30y, born in Iowa, married 7 years, section foreman on a railroad
   Her mother, Florence R Fisher - 24y, born in Kansas, married 7 years, 3 children - 3 living
   Her brother, Clifford Fisher - 6y, born in Oregon
   Herself, Lucile E Fisher - 4y, born in Oregon
   Her brother Lionel E Fisher - 2y, born in Oregon

1920 census - Fords Prairie, Grays Harbor, WA
   Her father, Lionel Fisher - 40y, born in Iowa, section foreman on a railroad (died 1954 in Santa Barbara, CA)
   Her mother, Florence - 34y, born in Kansas
   Her brother, Clifford - 16y, born in Oregon
   Herself, Lucile - 14y, born in Oregon
   Her brother, Lionel - 12y, born in Oregon

1930 census, Portland, Multnomah, OR (I'm not sure that this is her brother.)
  Her brother(?), Clifford Fisher - 27y, born in Oregon
  Her sister-in-law, Pauline - 25y, born in Wisconson
  Her niece, Phyllis - 2y 6m, born in Oregon
  Her nephew, Clifford Jr. - 1y 1m, born in Oregon (born in 1929, died in 1974 in Seattle, King, WA)

1930 census. Portland, Multmonah, OR
  Her husband, Charles L. Baker - 35y
  Herself, Lucile J. - 23y


Her father - Lionel Earl Fisher


IGI Individual Record

LIONEL EARL FISHER
  Male  

Event(s):
Birth: 
27 MAY 1879   Zena,Misc, , , Iowa

1917 WWI Draft Registration, Elma, Grays Harbor Co, WA, gives DOB 25 May 1879 and wife Florence B.

SSDI Death Record:
FISHER  LIONEL  EARL  05/27/1879  IOWA  SANTA BARBARA  11/08/1954  560-01-5250  75 yrs 

Her brother - Lionel Earl Fisher, Jr

Here is what I found out about Lionel Fisher Jr. and his family from public sources.
IGI Individual Record

LIONEL EARL JR FISHER
  Male  

Event(s):
Birth: 
06 MAR 1910   Hubbard, Marion, Oregon
Death: 
1986  

Parents:
  Father:  LIONEL EARL FISHER
  Mother:  FLORENCE BELL ARMSTRONG

California Death Index, 1940-1997
Name: Lionel Earl Fisher
Social Security #: 568106688
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 6 Mar 1908
Birthplace: Oregon
Death Date: 6 Aug 1986
Death Place: Humboldt Co, CA

I have a copy now of Lionel’s death certificate. Lionel Jr, died in Eureka, CA. It shows that he was born on 6 March 1908 and he died on 6 August 1986. His business was Eureka Refrigeration. The death was reported by Cathy Fisher, his daughter. Look below for a letter that I sent to try to contact his children.


Her brother - Clifford Earl Fisher

Here is what I found out about Clifford Fisher and his family from public sources.

1930 United States Federal Census

Name: Clifford Fisher
Home in 1930: Portland, Multnomah, Oregon
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Birthplace: Oregon
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Pauline
Race: White
Household Members:
Name Age
Clifford Fisher 27y
Pauline Fisher 25y
Phyllis Fisher 2y
6m
Clifford Fisher Jr 1y 1m
Parents born in IN and MO (should be IA and KS).

Social Security Death Index for wife of Clifford Fisher (born 1906)

Name: Pauline M. Fisher
SSN: 542-64-4934
Last Residence: 97322  Albany, Linn, Oregon, United States of America
Born: 7 Jun 1906
Died: 9 Jun 2004
State (Year) SSN issued: Oregon (1967 )


Social Security Death Index for Clifford Fisher, Jr (born 1929)

Name: Clifford Fisher
SSN: 541-28-3665
Last Residence: 98115  Seattle, King, Washington, United States of America
Born: 11 Mar 1929
Died: Sep 1974
State (Year) SSN issued: Oregon (Before 1951 )


Washington Death Index, 1940-1996

Name: Phyllis M Fisher
Date of Death: 17 Aug 1980
Place of Death: Renton
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1928
RESIDENCE: Renton
Gender: Female
SSN: 272-26-0373
Certificate: 021266




Now we know a lot more about Lucile. It might be possible to learn even more about her family and even to find some descendants of her two brothers.


In June of 2008, I sent this letter to all the Fisher's that I could find in the Eureka, CA area:

20 June 2008

My name is Mark DiVecchio. I have been doing genealogy research on the family of my wife, Sally, for several years. Her mother was Bette Baker Clarno and her mother’s father was Charles Lee Baker. I’ve created a webpage for Bette at:  http://www.silogic.com/clarno/Bette%20Baker.htm

Charles Baker was born in 1894 in Gaston County, NC and moved to the Portland, Oregon area before 1920. Up until I began my research, my wife’s family knew that Charles was married twice, first to my wife’s grandmother, Frances Amelia Martin, and second to Ruth Lorey. All of these cousins are in contact with each other.

In my new research in the 1930 census from Portland, we found Charles Baker and wife, Lucile Baker. This was a new name for everyone. Apparently, Charles had a second wife between Frances and Ruth. Lucile was 23 years old, born in Oregon and they had been married for two years.

Bette wrote in her autobiography:

"About my Dad.  I called him Daddy Charles.  He would come on a Saturday, sometimes, and take me out for a meal.  Then he would take me to a show. So we would go to the theater downtown that had vaudeville as well as a movie.  We both loved the vaudeville part.  One day my Dad took me to the apartment of one of the dancers whom he got to know and dated.  I heard much later that she died...of pneumonia, he said."

For the past several years, who this Lucile was remained a mystery.

Recently, the LDS web site put a new database on-line. Its "Washington Death Certificates, 1907-1960". When it became available, I did a bunch of searches for everyone I knew about in that state. The web site is: http://search.labs.familysearch.org/

Buried among 3900 hits on the name Baker was a record for Lucile E. Fisher Baker. Here are the details:

Name: Lucile E. Fisher Baker
   Death date: 10 Jan 1932
   Death place: Seattle, King, Washington, United States
   Gender: Female
   Age at death: 26 years 3 weeks 4 days
   Marital status: Married
   Spouse name: Charles L. Baker
   Father name: Lionel E. Fisher
   Mother name: Florence Armstrong

This was her. Now we knew her last name - Fisher - and the names of her parents.

I sent a letter to the Washington State vital records requesting a copy of her death certificate and I received it. It shows she died in Seattle on 10 Jan 1932 of Lobar Pneumonia, just as Bette had remembered. Lucile was an actress and was born on 15 Dec 1905 in New Jersey (according to the DC - the 1930 census indicated Oregon where I believe it was Milwaukie). She was cremated.

So this sent me on a search of the census. I found her or her father in every census from 1880 to 1930.

Yet more searching showed that her brother Clifford may have lived in Seattle, WA and her other brother, Lionel Jr, died in Eureka. I have a copy now of Lionel’s death certificate. It shows that he was born on 6 March 1908 and he died on 6 August 1986. His business was Eureka Refrigeration. The death was reported by Cathy Fisher, his daughter.

At the start of my research, my wife’s family knew nothing about Lucile. Now maybe I can find some of her nieces or nephews. Maybe we could even find a photo. My wife would be thrilled.

I’ve sent this letter to all the Fisher’s in the Eureka area. You can email or call me anytime.

Are you related?

A few months later, I got a phone call from Dawn Fisher. Dawn in the sister-in-law of Cathy; the wife of Cathy's brother, Raymond. Dawn did not have any information about Lucile. She was going to try to find out. I wrote Dawn a followup letter in Oct of 2008 but I never heard from her.

In Sep of 2011, I got an email from Martha Fisher Mastel

From:    <mmmastaol.com>
To:    <markdsilogic.com>
Subject:    Lucile Fisher Baker
Date:    Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:37:09 -0700

Hello Mark,

        My name is Martha Fisher Mastel.  Lucile Fisher Baker was my aunt.  Her brother, Lionel Earl Fisher Jr. was my father.   I came upon a web site where you said you were looking for more information on Lucile.  I did not know that she had been married.  My father never mentioned that.  He really never mentioned much about his family.  The odd thing is that my half sister Cathy Fisher and I were on the phone yesterday and she was asking if I knew much about Lucile.  I only know that she died from Pneumonia and that she was in Vaudeville.  My father did say she was very pretty but I do not have any pictures of her.  I have been working on another line of my family tree and am about to start working on the Fisher line.  If by some stroke of luck I come upon a photo of Lucile I will be glad to share it with you. 

Sincerely,

Martha Mastel
Dear Martha,

Thanks for your email.

My wife's grandfather, Charles Lee Baker, was married to Lucile Fisher for a short time at the end of her life. No one in my wife's family knew they were married.

My wife's mother, Bette, remembered meeting Lucile once. Before her death, Bette, wrote down her memories.

My wife, Sally, would be really interested in any information about Lucile.

A possible source of photos would be school pictures. If you can find out where Lucile went to school, we might be able to find the yearbook/annual.

Several years ago, I wrote a letter to all the Fisher's that I could find in Eureka. I was contacted by someone who knew Cathy but that contact never developed into more information.

If you like, I can email you the census and other documents that I've found on the Fisher family. It might give you a head start on your research. Let me know.

Mark
Dear Mark,

My half sister Cathy mentioned to me quite a while ago that someone had written her a letter wanting information on the Fishers.  She said she gave the letter to her brother's wife to read and take care of. Cathy asked if I would like a copy of the letter and I said yes. I have never received it and now Cathy doesn't know what happened to it. I know that my father said he went to school in Hubbarb, Oregon.  He quit school and joined the Navy.  I am thinking that Lucile must have attended school in Hubbard.   If you have a copy of my fathers death certificate I would love to have that.  Cathy has one but does not remember where it is.  I don't know why but I have never sent for it.  My father and mother divorced when I was about 8 yrs. old and I seldom saw him.  My father had been married twice before he married my mother.  Then he took a 4th wife Rachael and had Cathy.  Cathy's brother Raymond is a half brother by Rachael's 1st marriage. I would appreciate any copies of information you have that might help me in my research.

My father went to Hubbard to get a copy of his birth certificate when he wanted to collect Social Security
benefits. Cathy told me she went with him and were told the records had been lost years ago.  I am hoping to go up to Oregon next year and spend sometime trying to find more information, like newspaper articles school records, pictures, etc. There are Fishers in many of the areas where my grandfather lived and also his parents.  I am going to do some writing or phone calling to contact some of these Fishers and see if it will help.  I will be glad to send you any thing I can find on Lucile. I would love to get my hands on a picture of her too.  I also use LDS Family Search and Ancestry.com.

Martha
Martha,

I sent the letter in 2008 to all the Fisher's that I could find in Eureka. Attached is a copy of that letter.

I got a phone call back from Dawn Fisher. Later, I wrote another letter to Dawn but never heard from her. I've attached a copy of that letter also.

I'll forward you the documents that I have in my next emails.

Mark
Dear Mark,

Thank you for all the documents you sent to me.  I really do appreciate all of it.  I  am so glad to have a picture of Charles Baker.  It is nice to see what a nice looking man married my Aunt Lucile.  Much of this information will help me in my family search.  Every little piece of information is a treasure, as I am sure you agree since you do Family history.  I am just wondering if by chance you are LDS.  A lot of people use LDS.com and Family Search that are not . I am a member of the LDS church  so I am wondering if you are also.

If and when I get my hands on a picture of Lucile I will be sure and send it to you right away.  Thank you again for all this information you sent me. I am so glad to have it.

Martha
Martha,

I'm happy to help out as much as I can. I know that someday we will see a photo of Lucile and learn more about her and her vaudeville days.

I am not LDS but I spend so much time at the local Family History Center, they should have guest memberships!

Same at the Family History Library, step daughter (who is LDS) lives near Salt Lake City and every trip my wife and I make there includes a day or two at the Family History Library.

Mark
Mark,

Thanks for the new census.  My husband and I were in Salt Lake last year but did not go to the library there .  I was at the cemetery  looking for my Great Great Grandfather Hans Larsen who came from Denmark.  I found a few graves there of his family but his grave is unmarked. I took a lot of pictures of head stones. . We plan on checking out that Library next time we go to Salt Lake.  Our oldest son lives in Kansas with his wife.  So we got out to visit them and pass through Salt Lake on the way there and back since we drive there.  I talked a bit ago with Cathy again and she said somewhere in her house, she thinks she has a picture of Lucile.

Martha
Martha,

May I use your emails on my web page?

If you would like high resolution scans of the photos of Charles Baker, I will email them to you.

If you want to look at my family's web pages: http://www.silogic.com/genealogy/genealogy.html

Mark
HI Mark,

If you want to use my e-mails to you that is OK with me. I would like the high resolution photos of Charles Baker. Thank you. 

Martha



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