Palmieri Family
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This page started on 22 Oct 2009.
I was recently contacted by a Palmieri cousin in Australia which
resulted in a flood of information about her family. I needed to start
this web page to document what we found.
My family tree data
contains more details about these families.
Palmieri in
Australia and the USA
I got this email:
From:
"Angela Giobbi" <jgiobbi bigpond.com>
Cc: "Diana Archer" <nidrane bigpond.com>
Subject: re palmieri family
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:33:58 +1000
Hi
Diana. contact
these people, they may go back to the will in our great great
grandfather, looks like a connection, leave it with
you, for Palmieri tree etc Angela
|
Angela and Diana,
Hi, This is Mark DiVecchio. My father was from Sant'Eufemia a Maiella.
I've got a bunch of relatives in Australia.
Mark
|
This started several months of email between myself, Diana Palmieri
Archer and Angela Palmieri Giobbi. They both live in Australia and
found each other last year (they are 2rd cousins - they share the same
great-grandparents).
I learned the story of four Palmieri siblings - three
brothers, Camillo, Amato and Rocco, and
one sister, Eufemia.
Amato and Rocco went to Australia. Rocco is Diana's
grandfather and Amato is Angela's grandfather.
Camillo and Eufemia immigrated to the US. Diana and Angela
are trying to find their descendants - their cousins
in the US. All the photos you see here were sent to me by Angela and
Diana, unless noted.
Hi
Mark, Great to
receive your email. Where are you? I am in Tatura a
small town in Victoria Australia which is 2 hrs north of
Melbourne, (in case you're not in Australia.) I have visitors
here
at the moment and am away tomorrow so I will be in touch again on
Thursday. My grandfather immigrated to Australia from Santa
Eufemia in 1925 his name was Rocco Palmieri. I'll email you
the
full details on Thursday. look forward to further contact.
Cheers
Diana Archer
(Palmieri) |
My
name is Diana Archer
(Palmieri) and I am from Australia. My Grandfather Rocco
immigrated here in 1925 as did his brother Amato from Santa Eufemia A
Maiella. They had another brother Camillo who immigrated to
the
US
and a sister Eufemia who married a Pasquale Palmieri who also
immigrated to the US. We are trying to find their
descendants.
There was also another sister Antionetta who died 15/09/1947 in Italy,
she was single. Their father was Carmine Palmieri who died 10/02/1932.
He married a Filomena Carapellotti who died 1918/1919. She had one
brother, Amadeo Carapellotti. Carmine's parents where Germano
Palmieri who died 1925. He married a Concetta. Their other
children were Nicola, Anna Giuseppe and Antionetta. Hope you may have
a connection.
Mark, do you have relatives in Shepparton in Victoria,
Australia? I know people with the surname.
Regards Diana Archer |
Diana
and others,
Good to hear from you.
Last year, I found a Giobbi Family Tree on ancestry.com with some
information about your family. I assume that Angela put this up there.
I
think, at the time, I was trying to trace the Carapellotti family and I
had found Filomena Carapellotti in the tree. I have not, though,
connected her to my family - yet.
I can do some checking for the part of your family that came to the US.
Do you know when Camillo and Eufemia were born? Do you know where in
the US they lived? Do you know who Camillo married? Do you know
anything about their families?
Give me a day or two and I'll let you know what I find.
Mark
PS: I'm in touch with a branch of the Pantalone family that lives in
Melbourne. I'd be interested to hear about any
DiVecchio/DiVecchia who live in Australia. |
Mark,
With regard to the Palmieri's this is what I know.
Camillo must have been born in 1890 he and his 2 brothers, Rocco and
Amato, came to America on the 'Dante Alighieri' on 22 March 1920
arriving in Ellis Island. They were all born in Sant' Eufemia
A
Maiella, Pescara, Abruzzo. We think that their sister Euphemia and
her husband Pasquale where also on the same boat but that is
unconfirmed. Rocco and Amato eventually settled here in
Australia
but Camillo and Eufemia stayed in the US. We know that
Camillo
settled in Colorado, Utah. He was married? twice and had one
daughter 'Filomena' who lives/lived in Los Angeles?
Apparently
they were estranged and reunited after 38 years? 39 years ago
Angela's brother stayed with Camillo in a place called McKees
Rocks. Following this email I will email you what
Angela has
told
me. (I don't know if you realise but Angela and I are third
cousins, Rocco is my grandfather and Amato is her
grandfather. We
didn't know about each other until about October last year.
After
my cousin arrived home from a trip to Italy she came back with some
family history. I got online and googled some names and came across
Angela.) I will also email you and interpretation of our Great
Grandfather's will that John, Angela's husband has made.
Their
are some names their that you may be familiar with. I can't
think
of anything further that may be useful. Also you website is
awesome. If you would like the details of all of Rocco and
Amato's descendants to add to it I can provide you with that
information. I am currently in the process of adding our
details
on Ancestry.com.
Hope this is helpful.
Diana |
The parents of these four siblings who emigrated from Italy
were Carmine Palmieri and Filomena Carapellotti.
Diana and Angela,
Your new information helped me to connect Filomena Carapellotti to my
family. The two of you and me are 5th cousins. Our common ancestors are
Domenico Carapellotto and Maria Egiziana del Tondo.
Mark |
Hi
Mark,
You are AMAZING! I can't believe we are 5th
cousins. I am
very excited. I am still having a look at the information you attached
for me. I just rang and spoke to my Uncle Adrian Palmieri who
is
1 of 2 of Rocco Palmieri's children still living. He doesn't
know
if Euphemia was the oldest child or very much at all as he was the
youngest of the family. I tried to ring his sister, who is
only a
couple of years older but she wasn't home. I'll get onto her
later. If their dad, Rocco was born in 1892 and he was the
second
son some of these Filomena's and Pasquale's would have been
to
old maybe??????? I'll have a good look later.
Thanks for everything.
Diana |
Family of Eufemia Palmieri
Grandaunt of Diana Palmieri Archer and Angela Palmieri Giobbi. Family
settled in the United States.
Eufemia married a Pasquale Palmieri - same last name but we don't know
how he is related (according to Diana and Angela, they were 1st
cousins). We found that she died in 1917 (DC
Price, Carbon, UT). Pasquale remarried to Julia Scalese (1920 census).
Julia died in 1922 (DC Price, Carbon, UT). Pasquale died in 1955
(Magna, Salt Lake, UT).
About Eufemia:
- email from Diana Palmieri Archer, Sep 2009 - she emigrated
to the US, married Pasquale Palmieri.
- email from Diana Palmieri Archer, Sep 2009: "From what I've
been told
she died young and it was due to negligence on the doctors part."
- 1905 Sep 9 EI arrival, 25y, going to husband - Pasquale
Palmieri in
Primero, CO. Traveled with many people from SEaM, some going to
Rendham, PA, some to Joliet, IL.
- 1910 census, Sequndo, Las Animas, CO, 30y, married 6y, 2
children - 2
living. Two children: Rosa 2y and Annie 2m. Listed as Fannie. Lived
next door to Jim and Angelina Palmieri and their 4 children.
- Utah Cemetery Inventory
- 1917 Utah Death Certificate, 38y 6m 23d, Hemorrhage caused
by operation
for removal of retained placenta, reported by Camillo Palmieri. When
Eufemia died, the baby probably died. We don't see a death certificate
for the
baby in the Utah data, though.
About Pasquale:
- 1899 Jul 9 EI arrival, 22y, single, going to brother ??
Palmieri in New York City.
- 1905 referenced in EI arrival of wife Eufemia Palmieri.
- 1910 census, Sequndo, Las Animas, CO, 33y, listed as
Charlie. Lived next door to Jim and Angelina Palmieri and their 4
children.
- 1920 census, Price, Carbon, UT, 44y, wife, Julia (54y) four
children
(Rose 12y, Anna 10y, Carmen 8y and John 5y). Probably 2nd marriage
- 1930 census, Price, Carbon, UT, 54y, widowed, three
children. First married at 28y. Son John is listed but he died in Nov
1920.
- WWI Draft Registration, 42y, DOB 23 Jun 1876, Price,
Carbon, UT,
Farmer. Nearest relative listed as Rosy (daughter). Eufemia had died in
1917.
- Utah Cemetery Inventory
Name: Pasquale Palmieri
Birth Date: 1876
Death Date: 1955
Death Place: UT, Carbon,
Cemetery:
Price
City Cemetery
Source: Sexton / Grant
Grave Location: 1-F-017-52
- 1955 Utah Death Certificate, 80y, Magna, Salt Lake, UT.
Widowed. Wife
Eva Palmieri Palmieri. The place of death was listed "In canal at ...".
I wonder what that means. Reported by Carl Palmieri. Carl
would be the son born in 1912.
Probably the one known as Carlo. Almost seems like Pasquale was
visiting Carl in Magna for about a week and died out working in the
field. ???? His body was removed to Price, UT for burial.With the
wife's name written as "Eva Palmieri Palmieri", I would guess that this
is Eufemia Palmieri, his first wife and Carl's mother.
- email from Angela Giobbi, Jul 2010: "I
found a note which my Auntie Julia gave me, I do not know if it is
correct, --- He was born 1876 in Sant'Eufemia. Died in Salt Lake City
1955. His father was known as Pietro Palmieri and mother
Filomena
Cerone."
- This web site also shows Pasquale's parents as Pietro
Palmieri and Filomena Cerone : http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=taylor-gargaro&id=I02237
.
Hi all,
I had a lovely time today telephoning random Palmieri's in Utah and
Colorado they were the most loveliest people and very interested in our
family quest. The 3rd person I tried was James (Jim) Palmieri
and
I nearly screamed when he said that Carl was his father. He
is
very interested in hearing all about us and says
his sister is very interested in family history and will make
contact. With regard to Camillo he wasn't sure of the exact
circumstances but said Camillo got himself into trouble and had to
leave Utah and change his name. Apparently the Mayor was
involved
with the mob in Chicago and while away he returned to find his wife and
Camillo had been up to no good!!!! He remembers that Pasquale
eventually tracked him down in Los Angeles but says his sister will
know more. I asked him about the mysterious John
Palmieri. He says John did in fact die young. I
asked about
the John on the 1930 census and he says the data must be
wrong.
I'll email and attach the information that Mark has collected.
Carl did die in 1976 so the grave photo must be the correct
one.
I'll email this also and have it confirmed. Well done
everyone!!!!!! This is fantastic news and I am very
excited. I can't wait to find out more. I'll email Jim now
and
tell him all about us.
Take care Cousins
Diana |
From:
Jim & Deena Palmieri
To: Diana Archer
Sent: Saturday,
October 24, 2009 12:08 AM
Subject: Re:
Palmieri's in Australia
Hi Diana,
It
was really exciting to get the call from you the other day. I
knew we
had some relatives in Austrailia, but didn't think we would ever make
contact. I have forwarded the mail you have sent to my two
sisters
(Vickie Peterson who lives nearby us in Murray, Utah; and Renia Rapp
who lives in Fairborn, Ohio).
We'll
start sending you some of the information that we have soon, like my
Dad's (Carl Palmieri's) sister, Essie, who was given up for adoption as
a baby and my Dad finally found her in California years later.
Talk to you
soon, jim |
We are hoping that Jim Palmieri can fill in a lot of the
unknowns about Eufemia and Pasquale.
|
Carlo Palmieri, Jim's father
and son of Pasquale and Eufemia Palmieri.
Valley View Memorial Park, West Valley City, Salt Lake, UT
Photo from http://www.findagrave.com. |
|
Pasquale Palmieri and Eufemia
Palmieri
Valley View Memorial Park, West Valley City, Salt Lake, UT
Photo sent by grandson, Jim Palmieri |
For more photos of the cemetery, look at my Price
City Cemetery web page.
Eufemia and Pasquale's Children:
Rose 1908-1990, married Joe Mirabella, had four children -
Viola, Virginia, Mary and Stella.
Annie 1910-1989, never married.
Carl 1912-1976, married Antoniette Piccirelli, had
three children - Jim (mentioned above), Renita and Vicki.
John (1914-1920), died in 1920 of complications from measles
Mary "Essie Jensen", born 1917, email from niece, Vicky
Peterson,
Oct 2009: Speaking from the death of Eufemia in 1917: "Since Essie was
only a few weeks old at the time, Pasquale didn't feel able to properly
care for her. So he allowed her to be adopted to some people
he
knew. Essie's given name was Mary. She grew up in
Mt.
Pleasant, Utah and later moved to southern California. She
married Henry Bethel; they had 4 children: Darlene (Leffler),
Diana (Hayek) now deceased, John, and Denny. Essie is still
alive
and has many grand and great-grand children. She lives in Hemet,
California, near Palm Springs & Los Angeles."
From: "Diana Archer"
Subject: Fw: From a cousin
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:47:17 +1100
Hi guys I have
just received this email from Darlene who is Essie's
daughter. Essie is the child of Eufemia and Pasquale who was adopted.
This just keeps getting better and better. Thank you Mark for
making this possible. Sincerely,
Diana
Hi Diana
My name is
Darlene
Leffler. Our cousin, Renita, sent me your email. My
Mother
is a sister to Carl Palmieri, Renita, Vickie and Jim's dad.
My
Mother is 93 now and doing great. I would love to hear from
you. My Mother was adopted after her Mother died.
She did
not meet her father or brother or sisters until she was about
34.
We also met her father at that time. My father was a foster
child
so it was wonderful to met 'real' family. I am 66 and live in
Calistoga, California with my husband, Dennis. We have 3
children
and 7 grandchildren. I have 2 brothers. Our sister
died 7
& 1/2 years ago.
Do hope to hear
from you,
Darlene |
Diana
and Angela,
The birth index that I found for Darlene shows her mother's maiden name
as Jensen. This confirms some census records that I found for the
Jensen family. The Jensen family was the family that adopted Essie.
I will get the details together and send them to you but in the 1930
census, I found John and Venness Jensen with daughter Essie M. I also
found them in the 1910 and 1920 census - they had no biological
children that showed up in the census.
Venness died in 1938:
----------------------------------------------------
Utah Cemetery Inventory
Name: Venness Sarah Wilcox Jensen
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1886
Birth Place: MT. Pleasant, UT
Death Date: 7 Nov 1938
Death Place: MT. Pleasant, UT
Cemetery: Mt. Pleasant City Cemetery
Source: Sexton Records / Grant
Grave Location: A_ms_62_3
Relatives: Father Wilcox, Asa
----------------------------------------------------
and John died in 1958:
----------------------------------------------------
Utah Cemetery Inventory
Name: John H. Jensen
Birth Date: 28 Apr 1884
Birth Place: MT. Pleasant, UT
Death Date: 17 Feb 1958
Death Place: MT. Pleasant, UT
Cemetery: Mt. Pleasant City Cemetery
Source: Sexton Records / Grant
Grave Location: A_ms_62_4
Relatives: Father Jensen, Jence
----------------------------------------------------
Essie does not appear with them in the 1920 census. Essie also does not
appear in the 1920 census with Pasquale Palmieri and his second wife
Julia Scalese.
Mark |
Diana
and Angela,
Here are census scans that I found for Essie Jenen and her adoptive
parents John Jensen and Venness Sarah Wilcox.
1900 John Jensen, with parents, Mt. Pleasant, Sanpete, UT.jpg
1900 Venness Sarah Wilcox (Jensen), Mt Pleasant, Sanpete, UT pg1.jpg
1900 Venness Sarah Wilcox (Jensen), Mt Pleasant, Sanpete, UT pg2.jpg
1910 John and Vennie Jensen, no children, Mt. Pleasant, Sanpete, UT.jpg
1917 John H Jensen, WWI Draft Registration, Mt. Pleasant, Sanpete,
UT.jpg
1920 John and Venessa Jensen, no children, Mt. Pleasant, Sanpete, UT.jpg
1930 Essie M. Jensen, with adoptive parents, Mt. Pleasant, Sanpete,
UT.jpg
Some other info:
------------------------------
Utah Death Index, 1905-1951
Name: Venness Darah Wilcox Jensen
Death Date: 7 Nov 1938
State File Number: 1938004224
Gender: Female
Age: 52
County of Death: Sanpete
------------------------------
From Western States Marriage Record Index:
Details For Marriage ID#262088
Groom Last Name: JENSEN
Groom First Name: John
Bride Last Name: WILCOX
Bride First Name:
Venness
Place: Manti
Date: 10 Jul 1907
County of Record: Sanpete
State: Utah
Volume: 5
Page: 343
------------------------------
I had already sent you the Utah Cemetery burial records that I found.
What is most interesting about all of this is that in the 1920 census,
Essie does not appear with either her biological father or her adoptive
parents.
ciao.
Mark |
Family Photo
In Feb of 2021, Tom Gargaro emailed me this photo of Pasquale, Eufemia,
Rose, Ann and Carl. Since Carl was born in 1912, this photo was most
likely taken in 1913. Tom's grandmother was Maria Palmieri (1900-1987)
and she would be the niece of Pasquale Palmieri and 1st cousin twice
remobed to Eufemia Palmieri.
Family of Amato Palmieri
Grandfather of Angela Palmieri Giobbi. Family settled in Australia.
- 1907 Canadian Passenger Lists, Halifax, NS.
- 1907 Detroit arrival, 18y, laborer, going to Detroit,
Traveled with
Camillo Palmieri. Arrival at Halifax 3-8-07 on SS Pomeranian.
- 1920 Mar 22 EI arrival, 30y, going to cousin Camillo
Palmieri in
Primero, CO, Previously in CO from 1907 to 1916. Wife Annina in SEaM.
Marked as 'non immigrant alien".
- 1936 Australian Electoral Rolls, Darling, NSW.
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/7265996/person/-1114387255
|
Back, Vince
Gargaro, wife Julia Vera Palmieri,
Front Antoinette (Antoniella) Palmieri (died in Italy 1947), Angelo
Palmieri, Anna Sonsini Palmieri, and Tony Palmieri.
From Angela Palmieri Giobbi
This would have been taken it Italy before Angelo died in 1935. |
|
Rocco Palmieri (left) and
Amato Palmieri (right)
Sent to me by Angela Palmieri |
Taken about 1945. |
Hi
Mark and Angela,
Angela
posted some paperwork, photo's etc today. In amongst them was
a photo
of a "Frank Di Vecchio,
Vince Gargaro, Tony Palmieri (Angela's cousin)
, Roma and Mary (Vera Nardelli) kids". I know that Vince is
the man
with the piano accordion, I assume Tony is the man with his arm around
the child, which leaves Frank to be the one standing at left.
Thought
you might be interested in that.
Take care Cousins
Diana |
|
Juliette Palmieri (daughter
of Amato Palmieri and Annina Sonsini and husband Vincenzo Gargaro |
From:
Jim and Deena Palmieri
To: Diana Archer
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:01 AM
Subject: Letter from Austrailia
Hi Diana,
My wife, Deena,
mentioned
that you called a while back and left a message.
Sorry we
weren't home, it would have been nice to talk to you again!
I'm
pretty slow in responding, but that's just me and computers!
I
wanted to tell you that my sister, Vickie, found the letter that we had
saved from our Mom's stuff after she passed away, that had been sent
from Austrailia to my Dad, Carl Palmieri, in January, 1962. I
had
saved the letter because I thought maybe one day we might actually find
out who our relatives in Austrailia were (and then you contacted
us!).
I've attached a
copy of the
letter (and it's envelope) so you could view it. It's from
Amato
Palmieri and he describes his family and mentions his brother, Camillo
Palmieri, in California and gives his address. I assume that
is
how my Dad found his uncle, Camillo Palmieri. When we were
young,
our Dad took us on a trip out to the Los Angeles area and met Camillo
at his home. All I remember was his garden and the fig trees
he
had and eating some of the figs. My Dad and our cousin,
Dennis
Bethel told us a story about Camillo Palmieri and why he had changed
his name to Palmer. (Dennis Bethel is our aunt Essie's
son.
Essie was Pasquale and Eufemia's daughter that Pasquale gave up for
adoption after she was born). The story goes that when
Camillo
Palmieri was living in Price, Utah (that's where my Dad was raised and
where Pasquale & Eufemia are buried), he had an affair with the
mayor's wife. Price, Utah was (and still is) known as 'Little
Italy' due to all the Italians that settled there to work the
underground coal mines. The mayor was tied to the Italian
Mafia
in Chicago and he had to make several trips there to do business with
the Mafia bosses. Apparently, the mayor found out about the
affair and was heading back to Price and Camillo found out he was
coming, so he left everything he owned in Price (including his car,
belongings,everything) and disappeared. Somehow he ended up
in
California and changed his name and, we guess, was never found by the
mayor. We're not sure how correct this account is, but it's
how
it was told to us.
The attached
letter talks
alot about your relatives in Austrailia, so you probably understand it
alot better than we do. Hope you like reading it.
It was
typed, but he added some handwritten stuff at the end.
Talk to you
soon, jim |
|
From:
"Angela Giobbi" <jgiobbibigpond.com>
To: "Diana Archer" <nidranebigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Letter from Austrailia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:36:38 +1000
Diana,
I wrote this
letter, I remember doing it. I had just starting to learn to
type, so it brings back lots of memories.
Angela, |
Family of Rocco Palmieri
Grandfather of Diana Palmieri Archer. Family settled in Australia.
Rocco immigrated in 1925.
- 1912 Jan 22 EI arrival, 18y, father in SEaM -
Carmine. Going
to brother Camillo in Trinidad, CO. Traveled with uncle(?) - Camillo
Palmieri (33y).
- 1920 May 14 EI arrival, 28y, wife in SEaM - Antonetta,
going to brother in Price, UT
- 1920 May 14 EI arrival, Record of Detained Aliens - group
44, going
to brother, Camillo, in Price, UT. Previously in the US from 1912 to
1914 in CO.
- 1925 emigrated to Australia.
- 1979 Funeral Card
In Jan
of 2014, Diana sent me this photo:
Diana wrote:
My cousin Rocky
Palmieri
lived in Wandin Yallock. He passed away from Bowel Cancer
only in
August last year, he was 52. Rocky was with us when we
visited
the States to meet Mark and family he had tracked down for
us. I
wish he was
still alive as
I'm sure he would know more and would have recognised the
names.
I had a photo of all the 'paesane's' taken in Silvan which I have
attached. Before Rocky's death he spent a great deal of
time trying to
identify who
the people in this photo were. His wife tells me it was good
therapy for him and he also told me he had identified most of
the
group. It's a great photo it captures an era.
If Diana can gather up the names, I will add them here. Click
here for a index photo which numbers each of the 50
individuals in the photo.
In August of 2020, I got this from Rob DiPietro (diPietrantonio) from Australia:
I'm not sure if you already
knew this, but in the big group photo in Silvan, Victoria, one of the
men in that photo is Frank Di Vecchio. He's front centre, holding a jug
of beer with a young boy
in front of him. My grandfather Orlando remembered him and passed on
the name to my Father. My grandfather and his brothers, as well as his
father Filippo, are also in that photo. It's quite an amazing shot. |
Family of Camillo Palmieri
Granduncle of Diana Palmieri Archer and Angela Palmieri Giobbi. Family
settled in the United States.
- email from Diana Palmieri Archer, Sep 2009 - emigrated to
the US.
- 1903 Apr 28 Boston arrival, 17y, going to cousin Vincenzo
Palmieri in
Rendham, PA. Traveled with Giovanni DiVecchia 33y and Giuseppe Zianni,
17y.
- 1907 Mar 12 Detroit arrival, 21y. Going to Detroit, MI.
Traveled with
Amato Palmieri. Arrival at Halifax 3-8-07 on SS Pomeranian.
- 1917 WWI Draft Registration, 30y, born 13 Jul 1886, single,
Price, Carbon, UT, born in SEaM. Supporting mother and father.
- email from Diana Palmieri Archer, Sep 2009: "We know that Camillo
settled in Colorado, Utah. He was married twice and had one daughter
'Filomena' who lives/lived in Los Angeles. Apparently they were
estranged and reunited after 38 years. 39 years ago Angela's brother
stayed with Camillo in La Mesa, CA."
- email from Angelina Palmieri Giobbi, Sep 2009: "Camillo, the oldest,
married an American woman, she used to throw all the food,
etc,
out, so Camillo left his wife and daughter, then met up with this other
lady, she still wrote to us until the old lady, Eldora, died, about 12
years ago. My brother stayed at La Mesa, CA, 2 nites when he was 21,
with uncle Camillo, he is now 60. Auntie Julia had
contact
with Eufemia and Camillo, but lost contact with Eufemia when she moved
to Australia about 1969. That is all I can remember. Uncle Camillo's
daughter was named Eufemia too. Uncle found his daughter after 38
years, but I do not know the date."
- 1920 census, Price, Carbon, UT, 31y, immigrated 1903.wife
Eva 20y, born in UT, daughter Ruth born in UT abt 1919.
- 1920 referenced in EI arrival of brother, Rocco, and uncle
Camillo Palmier. They were going to Trinidad, CO. This census
sheet shows a Camillo Palmieri, 31y (born about 1889) along with wife
Eva 20y, and daughter Ruth 2months. Eva was born in Utah.
- 1930 census, Los Angeles, CA with (second?) wife Olga.
Camillo
works as an elevator operator at an electric factory. Olga runs a
boarding house.
- 1936 Nov 30 SSAN application, "Rocco E. Palmer", lives as
1549 W
8th Street, Los Angeles, CA. Born in SEaM on 13 Jul 1886. Father -
Carmine, mother - Filomena Carapellotti.
- 1940 Los Angeles County Voter Registration: Camillo
Palmieri 3526 N Broadway (now in Los Angeles, CA near South Pasadena,
CA)
- 1950-52-54 Los Angeles County Voter Registration: Camillo
Palmieri 565 W Figueroa Drive (now in Altadena, CA). Listed
next
to his name at the same address is a Mrs. Angelina Palmer.
- email from Jon Palmieri, Oct 2009: Regarding Camillo
Palmieri Voter
Registration records - "Those
addresses show as in the Los Angeles
area. When I saw him he was living in San Diego which is about 100-150
miles south near the Mexican border. That was in 1972. The dates you
have are the 1950's he may have lived there then. Isn't there any
organization in San Diego county that can find burial plots as I am
sure thats where he is buried. Ellis Island in New York has the records
of when they arrived in America and may have more info I know they went
to Colorado when they first arrived and then lost track."
- 1962 referenced in letter from Amato Palmieri to
his nephew, Carl in Utah. Camillo's address was given as 2080 18th Ave,
Kingsburg, CA.
- 1970 visited by Jon Palmieri when Camillo lived in La Mesa,
CA.
- We found his WWI Draft registration and that gave
us a big hint
about Camillo - he was born on 13 Jul 1886. I went back into the Social
Security Death Index and searched for anyone born on that date who died
in La Mesa.
- A hit in the Social Security Death Index:
Name: Rocco Palmer
SSN: 551-01-8196
Last Residence: 92041 La Mesa, San Diego, California, United
States of America
Born: 13 Jul 1886
Died: Jun 1977
State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951)
Wow, now this is too much
of a coincidence. Its Camillo's birth
date. Jon is certain he died in La Mesa. It was 1977 which is after Jon
visited him. Rocco is his brother's name.
- He also appears in the California Death Index, 1940-1997
Name: Rocco E Palmer
Social Security #: 551018196
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 13 Jul 1884
Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 5 Jun 1977
Death Place: San Diego
This record shows his birth date as two years earlier than the SSDI.
- I went to the San Diego Recorder's office and I
got a copy of the
death certificate for Rocco
E. Palmer who, now we agree, is most
certainly Camillo Palmieri. He died in La Mesa and was
cremated,
92y, 5 Jun 1977 at Grossmont Hospital
of Arteriosclerosis, wife Angelina Salamone, La Mesa CA, DOB
13
Jul
1884 (I believe this should be 1886), 10 years in San Diego County, 52
years
in California. Cremated, Telophase Society - ashes scattered at
sea.
Father - unknown, Mother - Filomena. Reported by Angelina Palmer.
- Camillo worked for Edison for 22y and retired at
65y, he went to
work for them about 1927 shortly after he moved to California.
- email from Angela Giobbi, Oct 2009: "I just discovered from some
old papers here, that Rocco was Camillo's second name."
- In the 1920 census from Price, UT, we found Camillo with
(first?)
wife, Eva (20 years, born about 1900), and daughter, Ruth (2 months).
Diana and Angela thought that this was the family that he left in Utah.
Well, I thought, they should be in the 1930 census from around there.
So I tried another search on ancestry.com. I searched for a Ruth
Palmieri born in 1919 in Utah. And viola'. A 1930 census sheet from
Spring Canyon, Carbon County, UT. Eva had remarried to a Charles B.
Murray. And there was Frances Ruth Palmieri (listed as step-daughter to
Charles) 10 years old.
- Still struggling along, I searched for Eva Murray born
about
1900. I found a 1980 California Death Index entry for a Eva Olsen
Murray, born 8 Apr 1899 in Utah and died 21 Jun 1980 in La Mesa, CA.
Might be her. I then found a 1900 census from Price, UT for an Eva
Olsen, 1 year old, born Apr 1899, her father, Sven, was Danish but both
parents were born in Utah. So could it be that when Camillo reconnected
with his daughter "in California", they all ended up in San Diego? So
its another trip for me to the County Recorders' Office to see if I can
get a death certificate.
- Looking back at the 1920 census where Camillo, Eva and Ruth
appear, I see Sven Olsen 59y living next door to the Palmieri's. Eva's
father and mother and two of the sons match with the 1900 census. Eva's
father's tombstone spells his name "Seren".
- I just got some help from another researcher who had a
Charles
Bailey Murray in her family tree data base. She did some searching and
she is
good (Thanks Sherida!).... She found an entry in the "Western
States Marriage Index" kept by Brigham Young University at: http://abish.byui.edu/specialCollections/westernStates/Search.cfm.
She found:
Groom Last Name: PALMER
Groom First Name: Camillo (30)
Groom Residence: Price, Carbon, Utah
Bride Last Name: OLSEN
Bride First Name: Eva (19)
Bride Residence: Price, Carbon, Utah
Place: Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah
Date: 11 Jan 1919
County of Record: Salt Lake
State: Utah
Volume: 78
Comment: Certificate # A031080
- Sherida found the 1910 census sheet for Swen and Emily
Frances
Olsen and daughter Eva, in Price UT. So we can see that
Camillo's
daughter, Frances Ruth, was probably named after her grandmother, Emily
Frances Olsen.
- I got a little more help from Sherida this morning. Sherida
found
that Eva's second husband Charles B. Murray also died (31 Mar 1980) in
San Diego County a few months before Eva died. This makes sense that
the
whole family - Eva, Charles and daughter Frances Ruth - all moved to
California at some point. This is where Camillo connected back up with
his daughter. I'll get a copy of his death certificate also.
California
Death Index, 1940-1997
Name: Charles Bailey Murray
Social Security #: 528032726
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 22 May 1889
Birthplace: Utah
Death Date: 31 Mar 1980
Death Place: San Diego
Mother's Maiden Name: Bailey
I also found his WWI Draft Registration document. (Sherida and I
determined that this Charles Bailey Murray was not the same person as
in her data base, they had different parents - but they were probably
related somehow.)
- I got the death certificates for Charles Bailey Murray and
his wife, Eva Olsen Murray. They are the people we figured. They both
died in 1980. The new information is that both deaths were reported by
their daughter who we found in the census as Frances Ruth. Her name was
listed as Ruth P. Dingwall which appears to be her married name. The
"P" may stand for Palmieri, her birth father's surname. I visted their
gravesite today (about a 50 mile drive at El Camino Memorial Park in
San Diego). Their daughter may still be
alive (would be about 90 years old) and she still appears in the La
Mesa, CA phone book.
- In La Mesa, CA, Camillo, his daughter Ruth and his ex-wife
Eva lived within
5 miles of each other.
- A search at http://www.whitepages.com
turned up a Ruth P. Dingwell
with a phone number in La Mesa, CA. I sent the phone number to my
cousin in Australia:
Hi everyone,
Ruth was home and she is Camillo's daughter!!! She's is the
most
delightful lady and was very pleased that we had been looking for
her. He first husband's name was Dingwall but he died after
they
had been married 31 years. Her second husband's name is
Thomason. She has 3 biological children and an adopted
daughter.
The best news is that she has an email address. I was very
impressed that a 90 year old, she turns 90 next month, can even use a
computer. She is looking forward to hearing from
us.
She is not in touch with Eufemia and Pasquale's grandchildren in Utah
but does remember that Carl was instrumental in finding her and she
remembers meeting them. More when I have it.
Great work Mark!!!!!
Diana |
From: Ruth Thomason
To: Diana Archer
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 4:48 PM
Dear Diana;
Good news. Nan had a birthday party for Joyce today and she presented
me with a disk of pictures from my 90th birthday party which you can
put in your computer. There are several pictures of me, two when I
was little, a couple when I was around 30 (which I
think
look very Italian. There is one of me when I was 70. It does lack a
present-day one, which I will come up with later. I will get this into
the mail as soon as I can. These are not pictures of the party, but
rather pictures she collected from me of me to display at the party.
This whole thing of your finding me is very exciting.
Much love, Ruth |
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Aside: In my searching on ancestry.com, on the LDS
webste, and on Ellis
Island, I've only found four men who called themselves Camillo
Palmieri (three of whom are from Sant'Eufemia):
1.
Diana and Angela's granduncle, Camillo "Rocco E." Palmieri, born
1884/86 (Camillo #1)
2.
Rosemarie Andrew's grandfather who was Angelo Camillo
Palmieri, born 1875 (Camillo
#2)
3. A
Camillo Palmieri who arrived at EI in 1912 at the age of
33y born 7 Mar 1878. He was going to nephew Camillo
Palmieri (probably our Camillo
#1) in Trinidad, CO and travelled with Rocco Palmieri. He
appears in the 1920 census from Tercio and the 1930 census from Primero
(with wife Julia and 5 children). He died (SSDI) in Jun 1973 in
Trinidad, CO. I'm still confused about who this
person is. (Camillo #3)
4. A
Camillo Palmieri born 20 Dec 1883 who lived in Philadelpha,
PA. Wife Domenica. He was born in Chieti, Italy (WWII Draft
Registration) not Sant'Eufemia.
Based on my experience, the fact that I could not find anyone else with
that name in any records, tells me that if we find a Camillo, it is one
of these four men. |
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Camillo Palmieri
Sent to me by Angela Giobbi |
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Camillo Palmieri
Probably with his second wife, Olga. Probably taken in Los Angeles. |
Palmieri Reunion - 3 Jun 2010 - San Diego, CA
After much searching, the descendants of Amato and Rocco Palmieri who
live in Australia finally met up with the descendants of Eufemia and
Camillo Palmieri who live in the US. The reunion took place on 3 Jun
2010 in San Diego, CA at the home of Nan Dingwall McGraw, Ruth's
adopted daughter and daughter of Ruth's second husband, Stewart
Dingwall.
Essie Palmieri Jensen and son, Denny Bethel |
Ruth Palmieri and husband, Chet Thomason |
First Cousins - Ruth Palmieri and Essie Palmieri Jensen |
All of the cousins, from left to right:
Amanda Fahey (daughter of Ninette)
Cara Fahey (daughter of Ninette)
Diana Palmieri Archer (daughter of Adolfo)
Rocco "Rocky" Palmieri (son of Gino)
Essie Palmieri Jensen Leuenberger
Ninette Palmieri Fahey (daughter of Adolfo)
Dennis Bethel (son of Ruth)
Ruth Palmieri Thomason
and that's me in the back, Mark DiVecchio |
On 4 Jun 2010, Nan and I took the Aussie group on a tour of San Diego.
Here
we are at the top of Mt. Soledad overlooking La Jolla Shores.
Cara, Amanda, Ninette, Rocky and Diana. |
From:
"Diana Archer" <nidranebigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Squirrels
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:33:57 +1000
You've gotta
love those squirrells!!!!!!! (Mark's note: I
had sent Diana a photo of her taking a photo of squirrels in La Jolla.)
We had a good
flight home.
The plane from San Diego to LA was a very small one and had us a little
worried. When we touched down it felt like it was about to go
into a 360 but thankfully didn't. The
jet lag is finally under control, so it's back into it. Thanks Mark for
everything we didn't expect you to go to all the trouble you went to and really
appreciated it!!!!!!!! San Diego is a beautiful city.
We caught up
with Chet and
Ruth for lunch on Saturday and Chet was saying that he was an
entertainer who up until 1996 would do a show that involved hypnotisym.
I had a
telephone call from
our local newspaper reporter who would like to do an article in our
paper about the trip. I thought that was a laugh!!! I'll see
if I
do it and will scan the article and forward it to you.
Thanks again
for everything.
Love Diana |
Epilogue
The story of the Palmieri quest was printed in a Tatura newspaper
(click on the image for the full article):
Epilogue 2
From: "Diana Archer"
<nidranebigpond.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:04:27 +1100
Hi
Hope you are
all well.
I do have some bad news I telephoned Ruth today and Chet said that she
was on her way back home from hospital via ambulance where she has been
since Christmas. Ruth has leukemia and pneumonia and she is
coming home as she wants to die there. Chet says that she may
have a month or two left to live which is dreadful, he was so matter of
fact about it. I will give her a couple of days to settle
into
home and try to telephone again, hopefully she is strong enough to talk.
Love to everyone
Diana |
Subject:
Re: Palmieri Genealogy
From: nmcsan <nmcsanaol.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:21:45 -0500
(EST)
Hi Mark and all
the Palmeri's,
Nan McGraw here
to tell you
of Ruth's passing last night (Sunday, 16th). She died
peacefully
at home with her family surrounding her. Funeral arrangements
are
pending. She enjoyed meeting you all so very much.
Thank you for
your love to her,
Nan McGraw |
|
A follow up email:
From:
Mark DiVecchio
To:
"Diana Archer", "Angela Giobbi"
Subject:
Ruth
Date:
Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:46:59 -0800
Diana and Angela,
It turns out that I could have found Ruth by asking the guy on the
bicycle next to me.......
I was looking at some emails that Chet sent out last year and I noticed
an email address that I recognized. It was the address of a guy who
I've known for 30 years. A fellow bicycle rider who I've ridden with
almost every Tuesday for years.
It turns out that he's known Ruth for years and they were friends and
she was his mentor since he is also in the therapy business.
Small world.
Mark |
Epilogue 4
In 2011, I received word from Diana that Rocky Palmieri had contracted
cancer. He underwent treatment and was in remission for a time. Rocky
passed away on 12 Aug 2013.
Epilogue 5
In Dec of 2013, I received word from Dennis Bethel, Essie's son that
she passed away on 30 Nov.
Palmieri
in Aliquippa, PA (Camillo #2)
This section will be under construction for a
while.
Diana and Angela from Australia put me in touch with Rosemarie
Andrews. Rosemarie's grandfather was Angelo Camillo Palmieri and was
known as Camillo. He was born in 1875. I call him Camillo #2.
His family lived mostly in and around Aliquippa and McKees
Rocks, PA
(near Pittsburgh). Rosemarie's father is Diamante, one of Camillo's
three sons. Since this family is also from Sant'Eufemia, I'm certain
that they are related to the other Palmieri on this web page.
- 1899 May 29 EI arrival, 21y, going to New York, NY. Married.
- 1902 Mar, Boston arrival, 26y, going to New York. Traveled
with 18 other people from SEaM.
- 1904 May 11 EI arrival, 26y, going to uncle Teodoro
Palmieri on Mulberry St in New York City, NY.
- 1909 Feb 24 Boston arrival, 33y, going to friend Salvatore
diPietrantonio, Fayette St, Watertown, MA. Previously in the US from
19?? to 1908 in CO. Wife in SEaM - Lucia.
- 1913 Apr 29, Boston arrival,, 37y, wife in SEaM - Lucia
Palmieri, going
to cousin, Pietro Palmieri in Boston, MA. Travelled with 6 men from
SEaM.
- WWI Draft Registration, 43y, 525 Beaver Ave, Aliquippa, PA,
nearest relative - Lucia Palmieri in Sant'Eufemia a Maiella, Italy.
- 1920 Feb 23 EI arrival, 44y, going to Aliquippa, PA,
travelled with
sons - Pietro 14y, Diamante 12y and Nicola 17y and wife Lucia Palmieri,
44y. Sister in SEaM - Gisaria (probably Cesaria). Lines all crossed
out. Going to nephew - Nicola Piccirilli. Sons Pietro and Diamante born
in Aliquippa, PA.
- 1920 Aug 2 EI arrival, 44y, wife in SEaM - Lucia Palmieri,
going to
friend - Robert diNardo in Aliquipp, PA. Previously in the US from 1909
to 1919. Travelled with many people from SEaM.
- 1930 census, Stowe, Allegheny, PA, 55y, married, first
married at 24y,
immigrated 1899. with sons Diamond and Nick, Roomed at the house of
Felix delTondo. Three Palmieri's living next door - Vito, William and
John.
- Posting by Rosemarie Andrews, Jun 2001: "The Palmieri name was
"Americanized" to Palmer inadvertently."
- Posting by Rosemarie Andrews nyteardropyahoo.com:
"My
father and his parents are from Sant'Eufemia a Maiella. My grandfather
was Angelo Camillo Palmieri and my grandmother was Lucia Palmieri
Palmieri. There was an Uncle Giovanni who married an Anna Giaconde
Marcucci, and an Uncle Angelo Pietro who married Irene Alberico, and an
Aunt Anna Palmieri who married Nicola Piccirilli. Some of
their
descendants migrated to the U.S. and to Australia and
Argentina.
I am trying to locate information on Pietro Palmieri and family in
Australia."
- email from Rosemarie Andrews, Oct 2009: "The
only thing I know is that my grandfather, was in the U.S. and in
Colorado, etc. and my grandmother was there too for awhile but she got
pregnant again and she was sent back to Italy. She had 3 boys.
My
dad was born in 1908 and he was the "baby". I also know for
sure
that my grandmother did not want my dad to come to the US to stay, so
my grandfather and people in the US bought her a house in town so she
could move there and be near people and not all alone. The
history
is all so interesting. I wish I had asked more questions when
my
dad was alive."
- email from Rosemarie Palmieri Andrews, Oct 2009: "Dad and his brothers lived in
McKees Rocks, PA, just near Alquippa."
- email from Rosemarie Palmieri Andrews, Oct 2009: "Uncle
Pete and Dad evidently married once before while working in the
midwest, Segundo, Colorado, to someone in Ohio or around
there.
My mother lived in Pennsylvania and dad was working in the local coal
mines there, where mom's dad worked also. Dad never read or
wrote
much English and paid someone to write a note to Mom to ask her
out. Seems that guy couldn't write English either, lol..."
- email from Rosemarie Andrews, Oct 2009: "My
dad lived in McKees Rocks, PA, some miles from Alquippa. He
was
born in Italy. He came over here when he was 12 yrs old to visit and in
1920 thereabouts when they brought him over to work, around age 16, and
he never got to go back home. No money. I spell his name
Diamante,
as it is, everyone called him Diamond. I have a brother by
that
name also."
In December of 2010, we
received word that Rosemarie died.
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December 11, 2010
Anonymous
Lockport Union-Sun
& Journal The
Lockport Union-Sun %26 Journal Sat Dec 11, 2010, 07:19 PM EST
LOCKPORT — Rosemarie "Teardrop" Andrews passed
away Thursday, December 9, 2010 in Eastern Niagara Hospital, Lockport.
Born February 24, 1937 in Ralston, PA, she was the daughter of the late
Diamond and Hilda Jones Palmer.
Rosemarie worked as a legal secretary for Albert Barone in Lockport.
She was a member of Niagara County React, the Red Hat Society, 7 Clan
Archery, the American Rifle Association and a former Girl Scout Leader,
and enjoyed traveling, camping, crafts and her c/b radio.
Rosemarie was the mother of Pamela Kim (late John) DeSio of Lexington,
NC, Nicole (John) Fair and Lori (Jay) Skinner, both of Sanborn,
Kristina Harris of Lockport and Jessica (David) Klock of Pendleton;
also survived by nine grandchildren and one great grandchild. Rosemarie
was the sister of Louis Palmer, Carol (Gary) Werth and Gregory
(Rosemary) Palmer, all of Lockport, and the late Diamond Palmer, Jr.,
Lucy Leonello and Helen Bailey.
There will be no prior visitation. A Memorial Service will be on
Tuesday afternoon at 4 PM in the Pendleton United Methodist Church,
6864 Campbell Blvd., Pendleton, NY. Memorials to the American Heart
Association or to the American Cancer Society would be appreciated by
the family.
Please visit www.pruddenandkandt.com to send an online condolence to
the family.
|
Palmieri
in Colorado (Camillo #3)
This will be under construction for a
while.
In my searching for Camillo #1, I found another Camillo
Palmieri
that seemed to be connected. He was born abt 1879. I call him Camillo #3.
A Camillo Palmieri who arrived at EI in 1912 at the age of
33y born 7 Mar 1878. He was going to nephew Camillo
Palmieri (probably our Camillo
#1) in Trinidad, CO and travelled with Rocco Palmieri (who
ended up in Australia). He
appears in the 1920 census from Tercio and the 1930 census from Primero
(with wife Julia and 5 children). He died (SSDI) in Jun 1973 in
Trinidad, CO.
I'm still confused about who this
person is.
Palmieri in
Utah
Date:
Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:16:48 +1100
When I rang the Utah Palmieri's my first call was to a Fred Palmieri,
his family originated from Naples. His daughter Christine
lives
in Colorado and researches family history also. He gave me
her
telephone number so I called her and she was a wealth of information
about the history of the Palmieri name etc. she firmly
believes
that all Palmieri's are related somewhere along the line. Her
family site is http://www.dunfee-family.com
If you go to
the gough-dunfee line there are Palmieri's listed there. Her
email address is cgcolohotmail.com
I thought you might be interested.
Thanks again
for everything
Cheers Diana |
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